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WW1 Villar Perosa SMG at the Range


Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another
video on ForgottenWeapons.com. I’m Ian McCollum, and I am out here at the range today courtesy of the Morphy Auction Company up in Pennsylvania, and we have a magnificently rare and very cool First World War machine gun. This is a Villar Perosa. This is the double-barreled 9mm Italian aircraft gun turned ground gun. So there are very few of these around, and it’s really cool that we get a chance to do some shooting with this one. So let’s jump right into it. First, you can’t cock the bolts if the
safety is on, so we’ll disengage the safety, rack both bolts, engage the safety,
pop in both magazines. They are a back in rock forward design,
which is a little bit unusual there. And now we’re hot. Let’s see what it looks like with both barrels
at the same time. This thing has a pretty high rate of fire. There we go, and… Whoo, that is a fast submachine gun. Alright, so one of the problems
with this thing is the sights. This is really an aircraft gun that was
repurposed to become a ground gun, and when they did that they were moving it
into a role for which it really wasn’t designed. As an aircraft gun this fantastically
high rate of fire is a really good thing, because in an aircraft you’re only going
to have these brief fleeting moments where the enemy craft is
close enough and in your sights, and you want to dump as much lead at
it as possible during that brief moment. So you take a very high rate of fire, like 1,500 rounds
a minute here, you double it up with a second gun. It doesn’t really matter that your magazines are small, only
25 rounds each, because you’re gonna hit both triggers (these fire independently), going to hit both triggers and
do your best to get some rounds on that enemy airplane. And this being World War One, that enemy
airplane is made of basically wood and canvas and you don’t need much more than a
9mm bullet to go all the way through it and destroy anything that you manage to hit. So it really does make sense in that role. And
it was set up in the Italian Capelli [?] bombers. But then they went and put it also into the ground role. And in
the ground role, well, it’s not designed for the ground role. So instead of a big spider sight that allows
you to actually see and track a moving target, we’ve got this little tiny aperture sight right in
between the triggers. And there’s no buttstock, so as soon as you start firing the gun recoils
backwards, because the bipod does pretty much nothing to … support the gun. It holds it up, but doesn’t hold it
forward or back. You can’t push into this bipod, there’s no stop. And so as soon as you start shooting the gun starts moving,
your little tiny aperture sight just disappears, it’s gone. And you’re left trying to figure out what you hit or not. Now the normal sort of solution to this would
be to aim basically looking at your bullet impacts. Well, kind of like a Minigun, the problem with that is it fires so fast that by the time you register
where you’re hitting and start to make adjustments, you’re out of ammunition. And
you have to start over again. Now, I suspect in what as close as
this came to practical ground use, I think the doctrine probably would
have been to fire one barrel at a time, and you’d have an assistant gunner who could be
reloading the empty magazines as you fired one at a time. And that would more or less let you keep up a continuous (as close as you can get to continuous
with 25 rounds and 1,500 rounds a minute), but that would let you keep
up a continuous-ish rate of fire. Safety. Wow, man that just goes really fast. I can’t hit anything. Alright. Well, I hope you guys
enjoyed the video, it is certainly… – Hey.
– What?
– Wrong war, this is ours. – No, this videos over, we’re using this.
– What? Alright, well. I hope you guys enjoyed the video
of the gun I no longer have because Othais stole it. Othais will be coming out with a super-cool
video on the entire history of the Villar Perosa. So what you’ll have to do is go watch it, then you can go
… back and watch my history video on the Villar Perosa, and you can see which one of us did it better. If you want to find out for yourself and just
own the gun and shoot it whenever you want, it is of course coming up for sale in the Morphy
… October Extraordinary Firearms Auction. So go to their catalogue, check it
out, you can see all their pictures. It also comes with a replica Capelli bomber
aircraft mount which is super cool, but wasn’t practical for us to bring out to the range today.
So hope you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching. – Can I have my … gun back now?
– No.
– Yes. Alright, and here goes both.

Tony wyaad

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100 COMMENTS

  1. Justin Britten-Yung Posted on September 29, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    Imagine they used this for the lightening series for ww1 light machine guns

    Reply
  2. Ahmad Shishani Posted on September 29, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    Battlefield 1 gun

    Reply
  3. An aristocrat Posted on September 29, 2019 at 5:08 pm

    I waited 2 years to see a firing vid for this gun. Worth it.

    Reply
  4. Ken Helmers Posted on September 29, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    What a literal blast!

    Reply
  5. Jeff W Posted on September 29, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    Show us the target next time!

    Reply
  6. LexieAssassin Posted on September 29, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    This is off topic of the video, but could you do a video (or a series) on gun laws? I remember looking into the laws here in my state once and was greeted to a very long wall of text…

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  7. Colin Heyl Posted on September 29, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Makes perfect sense in an aircraft role. Seems like a fantastic idea.

    On the ground, I'd probably rather just have a bolt-action rifle…Or one half of this thing, with a stock on it.

    Reply
  8. Dsdcain Posted on September 29, 2019 at 6:48 pm

    That's one machine gun that would be fun to play with because the ammo is so cheap compared to so many other machine guns. I wish I had the money for it.

    Reply
  9. ZXUL23 Posted on September 29, 2019 at 6:56 pm

    Angry Italian cursing

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  10. Robert Christopher Posted on September 29, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    This thing looks immensely fragile

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  11. Michael Cataulin Posted on September 29, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    For world war one, that's some crazy rate of fire.

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  12. Chance Posted on September 29, 2019 at 7:41 pm

    That's not really true that 9mm was suited for shooting WW1 aircraft. Because of aircraft shooting at 200-400 meters onto a fast moving farther and bigger target, you need the straightest, fastest and longest range accuracy that 7.5mm rifle caliber provides, while 9mm drops and loses accuracy after only 50 meters. And you don't want to be so close to the rear gunner. And even with 7.5mm "sniper rifle" calibre, Lothar von richthofen recounts how he shot his 500 rounds without touching any single time in a duel. In the air, 9mm pistol bullet is like airsoft. Even 7.5mm was later drop in favor of bigger calibre, 12.7mm (50cal) and 20mm canon

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  13. Remco den Ouden Posted on September 29, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    "a pretty high rate of fire" understatement of the week

    Reply
  14. Phillip Hand Posted on September 29, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    Morphy's is in Denver Pa…….20 minutes from my house…….now I wait.

    Reply
  15. ravenslaves Posted on September 29, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    I saw a movie where they were using one of these. A remarkable film.
    Partially because when they fired it, there was no magazine.
    But that oversight was more than made up for because the Bren had its magazine in backwards.

    Reply
  16. AaronG Posted on September 29, 2019 at 9:44 pm

    The rate of fire startled me.

    Reply
  17. Zach Benjamin Posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:24 pm

    It probably would have been more practical for ground use if they designed a stock and hand guard for it. Either way, it’s still an impressive piece of equipment.

    Reply
  18. Ob1sdarkside Posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:30 pm

    This gun screams pick me up and run around a trench

    Reply
  19. Craig Colavito Posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:36 pm

    Is it possible that he meant to say Caproni bombers instead of Capelli Bombers??

    Reply
  20. MtnTow Posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:42 pm

    Thats not the gun they timed to props though, right?

    Man, i wouldnt want that thing spitting at me. Lol

    As a pot smoking Canadian, i appreciate these videos of things ill never get to experience.

    FPSr and Paul are a couple others i enjoy.

    Reply
  21. Lubos Soltes Posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:42 pm

    There's no question, Mae does the best history videos …

    Reply
  22. John Stewart Posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:53 pm

    Someone set up a petition to force the federal government to form a task force to rescue Ian from the auction house paradox

    Reply
  23. Jaku Posted on September 29, 2019 at 11:02 pm

    To be fair, if I was in WW1 and was pushing forward and I hear that thing, I'm running the opposite way.

    Reply
  24. The Millennial Gamer Posted on September 29, 2019 at 11:10 pm

    Recoil looks nasty.

    Reply
  25. Colonel K Posted on September 29, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    I remember when Bubba duct-taped two MAC 10s together and tried to fire them offhand. His last words were "Hold my beer" before he blew his nose off.

    Reply
  26. 1timcat Posted on September 29, 2019 at 11:23 pm

    Wouldn't wanna be stuck with one, also, wouldn't wanna be in front of one.

    Reply
  27. William Cox Posted on September 29, 2019 at 11:34 pm

    HAHAHAHA! Othais!

    Reply
  28. Eye Patch Guy Posted on September 30, 2019 at 12:35 am

    Okay everyone, post your BF1 War Stories right here.

    Reply
  29. Charles Cosimano Posted on September 30, 2019 at 12:38 am

    They were going to be issued to the Bersaglieri but the feather boas kept getting stuck in the action.

    Reply
  30. Pavel the Fabulous Posted on September 30, 2019 at 12:55 am

    If this was adopted in WWII, it would be Hitler's Dremel.

    Reply
  31. boris krinkov Posted on September 30, 2019 at 1:01 am

    1:42 Thanks not pocket pistol. What the hell?!

    Reply
  32. Skar Kitti Posted on September 30, 2019 at 1:27 am

    "How much RoF do you want?"

    Yes.

    Reply
  33. David Coxe Posted on September 30, 2019 at 2:03 am

    He took your toy dog gone it

    Reply
  34. WC_2 Electric_Boogaloo Posted on September 30, 2019 at 2:03 am

    Pretty fast rate of fire? Id say doubly so.

    Reply
  35. -Arbyboi- Posted on September 30, 2019 at 2:45 am

    Seeing the rl gun makes me wonder how you goddamn shoot this thing in BF1

    Reply
  36. Will Kelly Posted on September 30, 2019 at 3:06 am

    Who is the thief? I'm an athiest but stealing from gun Jesus has got to be a serious offense.

    Reply
  37. charlie go oops Posted on September 30, 2019 at 3:37 am

    Completely forgot about the reduced fov and no gas mask

    Reply
  38. possum66669 Posted on September 30, 2019 at 3:41 am

    Mom said it's my turn with the automatic

    Reply
  39. Kyle Gammage Posted on September 30, 2019 at 4:27 am

    Wow, I actually recognize that shooting range. Darn, I was just there 2 weeks ago and missed both Othias and Ian?

    Reply
  40. Mr Diplomat Posted on September 30, 2019 at 4:32 am

    That thing is friggin awesome 🎯‼️

    Reply
  41. will hicks Posted on September 30, 2019 at 4:34 am

    aww come on, why didnt you shoot one side and then the other.

    Reply
  42. sam rexso Posted on September 30, 2019 at 5:13 am

    Is that mechanic gun or a smokescreen gun I wonder…..

    Reply
  43. Cipher TheDemonLord Posted on September 30, 2019 at 5:51 am

    Cool gun

    Reply
  44. sandemike Posted on September 30, 2019 at 6:58 am

    Sean Connery shot the tail fin of his own plane with plane with this weapon in the movie Indians Jones The Last Crusade."

    Reply
  45. Krispy Bacon Posted on September 30, 2019 at 7:21 am

    so , uh fold the bipod legs use them as a forward grip and hip fire this bugger..

    Reply
  46. DiggingForFacts Posted on September 30, 2019 at 8:01 am

    Can anyone tell me why there is a contact address in Arizona when Ian clearly is from Yorkshire now?

    Reply
  47. S. Karnkrasang Posted on September 30, 2019 at 8:25 am

    Others have Joy of Painting as ASMR.
    I have Ian.

    Reply
  48. TheBillyReb Posted on September 30, 2019 at 11:13 am

    It's like a full-auto .22LR pistol that holds only 9 rounds in the mag.

    Basically it's a gun for sh!ts and giggles.

    Reply
  49. tawon1984 Posted on September 30, 2019 at 12:12 pm

    Battlefield 1 loves you 🥰

    Reply
  50. Boghman22 Posted on September 30, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    That thing looks like a joke till it rip you to shreds…

    Reply
  51. Peter August Posted on September 30, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    this thing looks a bit like a comical tiny version of a machinegun.

    basically this is a great machinegun, ruined to the point of unusability by a terrbile bipod.

    Reply
  52. GIlbert MSG Posted on September 30, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    :0 dude that amazed me wow

    Reply
  53. Harold Lee Posted on September 30, 2019 at 1:49 pm

    Ian- I want to shoot this SMG for my video
    Consigner- SWEET! Free advertisement. The price is going to skyrocket.
    Ian- Man, I can't hit anything.
    Consigner- Crap…

    Reply
  54. Cruckeyee Posted on September 30, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    Is it chambered in 9mm Glisenti? I don't live in the U.S, is that a common caliber to find?

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  55. Christopher Nemeth Posted on September 30, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    So you're basically lobbing 000 buckshot down range and hoping to hit something.

    Also, this is similar to the turrent mounted gun Sean Connery fired in the biplane in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

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  56. Jacob Huisman Posted on September 30, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    Somewhere, sometime, somebody made a chest rig to support carrying and firing this offhand

    Reply
  57. YU Chin Posted on September 30, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    Italian weapons were…. Weird.

    Reply
  58. James Tarbet Posted on September 30, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    Gun Jesus in a flat cap. Shoulda known things would get weird.

    Reply
  59. Ian Mills Posted on September 30, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    Ian, I need to tell you that your coment section hasn't ever been this funny

    Reply
  60. Adhi Putra Pratama Posted on September 30, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    one magazine…. one kill

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  61. fm451 Posted on September 30, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    Great video. Could have gotten some pointers from Sean Connery – Used the aircraft version of the VP in "The Last Crusade".

    Reply
  62. docthebiker Posted on September 30, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    Probably a lot more accurate when firing one barrel at a time as you can feel and compensate for the rhythm of the cycle.
    With competing cycles the second round pushes with any compensation and it will oscillate.
    Also you are used to resisting the recoil of single barrel m/guns, so with practice (and no machine gun muscle memory) they got better accuracy back then. A great suppression gun is not one where the enemy can say "He's not aiming at me". It's "His are bullets going everywhere".

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  63. jose garuz Posted on September 30, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    Othais is a terrible friend

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  64. 777Dubliner Posted on September 30, 2019 at 10:42 pm

    This needs to be mounted to something better than a bipod 😂 looks like it comes off the ground for about half the magazine

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  65. fredEVOIX Posted on September 30, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    O_O crazy rof which was expected for a plane gun, but barely believable with what looks like two pipes glued together

    Reply
  66. FG 42 Bob Posted on September 30, 2019 at 10:47 pm

    please tell us what it sells for. how much faster does the gun shoot with 9mm P shoot than 9mm Glisenti ?

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  67. ScreamingSturmovik Posted on October 1, 2019 at 12:48 am

    this gun scares me -.-"

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  68. BrokenExcalibur Posted on October 1, 2019 at 12:59 am

    so there I was, on Monte Grappa, Villar Perosa in my right hand, cock in my left..

    Reply
  69. Cody Cromarty Posted on October 1, 2019 at 1:27 am

    You don’t really understand how ridiculous this gun is until you see it actually set up and fired.

    Reply
  70. benjamin donaldson Posted on October 1, 2019 at 3:55 am

    Obvious question, why weren't they able to just use one barrel, with a slowed for rate, as an Italian trench broom? This question had no doubt been answered somewhere, but i haven't found it yet. Great videos, can't wait for the next.

    Reply
  71. gnomeman gnomington Posted on October 1, 2019 at 4:47 am

    Ian looks like Les claypool in this video

    Reply
  72. MMBNMalternateaccoun Posted on October 1, 2019 at 5:57 am

    Imagine being the poor bastard that gets deployed on the ground with this and they put a buttstock on it or something and you fire it and next thing you know you can't use your right arm.

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  73. A H Posted on October 1, 2019 at 7:01 am

    Some sort of rate of fire reducer would have been a good idea…an a drum type feed…I think these were seen in North Africa and Italy in the early years of the World War two …

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  74. GoreTorn16 Posted on October 1, 2019 at 7:05 am

    BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTT

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  75. Michał Klimiuk Posted on October 1, 2019 at 1:14 pm

    What's its the giggle per second factor?

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  76. MTF Alpha-1 Posted on October 1, 2019 at 1:58 pm

    A-10 Warthog BRRRT sound
    – I prefer the real BRRRRT sound.

    MG-42's BRRRT sound
    – I said, the REAL BRRRRT sound.

    Villar Perosa's BRRRRT sound
    – Perfection.

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  77. Marvin Zelaya Posted on October 1, 2019 at 3:01 pm

    Rip headphone users

    Reply
  78. RyeOnHam Posted on October 1, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    Random Othiases are not so random.

    Reply
  79. Mootpoint Jones Posted on October 1, 2019 at 11:13 pm

    I never realised how small a gun it is, unless Ian is a giant!

    Reply
  80. Michael Cox Posted on October 2, 2019 at 10:59 pm

    "Continuous-ish rate of fire." LOL!!!

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  81. Ron G Posted on October 3, 2019 at 1:18 am

    Why don’t I have one of these? Don’t reply. There is no good answer.

    Reply
  82. Real Horrorshow Posted on October 3, 2019 at 10:54 am

    Made rather better sense as a single gun with a wooded stock in a conventional SMG role.

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  83. Balasar Windstriker Posted on October 3, 2019 at 11:58 am

    using an aircraft gun as a MG is just extremely WW1

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  84. Malone M. de Araujo Posted on October 3, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    Ian need to get the wood stock variant

    Reply
  85. DaToNyOyO Posted on October 3, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    My guess is if you had ten guys pointing those in your general direction, you'd keep your head down. I'd keep my head down.

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  86. SecularStrategy Posted on October 3, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    At least it's ambidextrous.

    Reply
  87. Shawn Adams Posted on October 3, 2019 at 10:07 pm

    I think it's practical aplication is to make your enemy wet themselves.

    Reply
  88. Cablecar18 Posted on October 3, 2019 at 11:55 pm

    This whole time I thought Battlefield 1 was exaggerating the fire rate yet it turns out it's even faster

    Reply
  89. Rob Stafford Posted on October 4, 2019 at 7:16 am

    Mount it to a bicycle like God intended

    Reply
  90. Clickmaster5k Posted on October 4, 2019 at 10:40 pm

    Mag dump? Mags dump?

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  91. Pierre LeDouche Posted on October 5, 2019 at 2:19 am

    "So you load it, unusually the magazines are rear-in and rock forward…." BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP. <stunned silence>

    Yeah, me too. That thing's so terrifying I'd flee for my life even if it was being shot at the enemy by a soldier on my side. For once, Dice wasn't exaggerating when it animated firing the demon in Battlefield 1.

    Reply
  92. tarjei99 Posted on October 5, 2019 at 6:42 am

    At 9mm I suspect that it would be useful for terminal defence of a trench or for close suppression when breaingk into one.

    Reply
  93. hi bye Posted on October 5, 2019 at 9:53 am

    “Bf1 hacker has joined the chat”

    Reply
  94. Philip Kröker Posted on October 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    A thought popped into my head when you mentioned that the bipod only propped up the front of the gun and didn't have any way to stop it rocking foreward and back. Since this is a WWI era firearm and that war was largly fought in the trenches, the first thing I would have done with it is employ a few sandbags either in front so I can push into it, or both in front and behind the bipod to help pin it in place.
    Love your videos!

    Reply
  95. Gunter G Posted on October 5, 2019 at 2:04 pm

    Oh shit it’s happening

    Reply
  96. Ozdave McGee Posted on October 5, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    Oh fuck it. Fire it from the hip might do somerhing, if not Youll look tacticool lmao

    Reply
  97. William Wallace Posted on October 5, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    Jesus Christ I wasn't expecting that rate of fire… what the fuck…

    Reply
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